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Post by sqir666 on Dec 27, 2014 23:06:17 GMT
Meh, we will see what happens. Not getting too spun up about everything until we get more concrete information. The quotes from a friend of a friend of Ninja Division, to me at least, are about as reliable as the quotes from a friend of a friend of Games Workshop Game Developement....Shaky at best. Alot of it feels like Ninja Division attempting to separate themselves from a rough roll out and some bad publicity done up by forum hounds and professional internet trolls. Any bad publicity in the Minis game business can destroy a smaller company pretty quickly. I will say this, Palladium has made some excellent games in the past...But their company sucks at deadlines, keeping promises and following through with a project. We can only hope things progress positively. And this is the exact reason I now avoid the kickstarter and dakka pages relating to this game. They both seem to be echo caves of negativity. |
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Post by Galahad on Dec 27, 2014 23:09:54 GMT
Brian and Kerk have the right idea, I think. I'm naturally pessimistic about palladium and the idea of them meddling with rules to the point of alienating their partner is entirely plausible (KS himself is infamous for rewriting whole sourcebooks during the "editing" process to the point of driving away freelancers. But that said, no point in getting worked up until we hear something official.
And brian's assessment of Dakka is spot on. Back in my time on Heresy-Online we'd joke about stuff posted in Dakka's rumor forums.
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Post by merknight79 on Dec 27, 2014 23:57:41 GMT
lol yeah, KS did some rough editing to the original Robotech RPG that ended up in ALOT of name swaps and mistaken information. ie: The Tomahawk being called the Excalibur, Phalanx being called the Spartan, etc etc...Gladly, the most recent update to the RPG material fixed ALOT of issues. Ultimately, the current game is pretty good and is alot of fun to play (Great change of pace from 40K and Fantasy)...the models we have aren't bad, especially for a first run (I remember the first plastic space marines for 40K...Er ma gerd) and as long as the community holds together, things will be fine. Also, folks need to understand...but most refuse to....that the easiest way to get a company to stop listening and aggressively pull the plug on a project, is to cause so much hate and discontent, the simple mention of the product causes rage and heartache. Positive Pressure on PB is good. Going Mega Troll and being a douche canoe...not so much. Bottom line for me, Whenever I get my wave II stuff, as long as I actually do get it...I will be okay (not happy mind you, as I was annoyed at how long wave I took...but I will deal). At the moment, I have alot of stuff to learn about Wave I and the rules  |
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Post by Galahad on Dec 28, 2014 0:53:03 GMT
I was referring mainly to Rifts. It wasn't uncommon for palladium to hire a freelancer based on their submitted roughs for a given book, have them finish the entiure thing, then throw almost all of it out in favor of something KS thought sounded more fun. A lot of Rifts books are "By So-and-So & Kevin Simbeida" because he ends up meddling
But yeah, I'm actually enjoying RTT. Some of the rules are a bit too vague but the relatively light fast-playing rules are a fun relief from the dense arcane rules of Warhammer and the like. And despite some frustrating aspects, the models are good.
I'm just not entirely confident that there WILL be a Wave 2. Not going to get worked up about it just yet, but it wouldn't susprise me
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Post by Jaymz on Dec 28, 2014 1:53:22 GMT
One thing I like about this board is that it's avoided a lot of the constant negativity that has consumed the Palladium boards and the Kickstarter comments section. I don't want to see this place overrun with all of that. And I intend to keep it that way for the foreseeable future. There are places for that. This doesn't need to be one of them. |
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Post by Harlock on Dec 28, 2014 3:30:10 GMT
Amen to that, brother Brian! |
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Post by bastinado on Dec 28, 2014 3:55:44 GMT
Ultimately, the current game is pretty good and is alot of fun to play (Great change of pace from 40K and Fantasy)...the models we have aren't bad, especially for a first run (I remember the first plastic space marines for 40K...Er ma gerd) and as long as the community holds together, things will be fine. The love hate of 40K. Thank you for buying hundreds of pounds/dollars worth our models over the last few years. But now we're releasing a new version, and half of your army is no longer legit to field. That is unless of course your playing this other army, then the entire army is being discontinued and we suggest you start buying a different faction. Sigh... |
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Post by kryptt on Dec 28, 2014 8:23:20 GMT
Ultimately, the current game is pretty good and is alot of fun to play (Great change of pace from 40K and Fantasy)...the models we have aren't bad, especially for a first run (I remember the first plastic space marines for 40K...Er ma gerd) and as long as the community holds together, things will be fine. The love hate of 40K. Thank you for buying hundreds of pounds/dollars worth our models over the last few years. But now we're releasing a new version, and half of your army is no longer legit to field. That is unless of course your playing this other army, then the entire army is being discontinued and we suggest you start buying a different faction. Sigh... What did GW change? What armies were discontinued? I stopped following 40k when PB ran the RRT ks campaign. So I'm a bit out of it. |
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Post by bastinado on Dec 28, 2014 15:58:16 GMT
Not sure of their recent history, I was just referencing their overall track record throughout the years. They've come out with several new editions that would revamp things to the degree that much of your old stuff was useless, and then of course there were the Squats that got taken out completely way back. Glad I wasn't collecting them. I haven't really touched 40K since fifth edition in favor of War Machine/Hordes.
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Post by kryptt on Dec 28, 2014 18:27:45 GMT
Gotcha. I thought you were referring to recent history. Personally I never liked squats so it wasn't a big deal when GW nixed them. That and the nid zoats.lol
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Post by brian on Dec 28, 2014 18:54:15 GMT
As far as I know, GW hasn't "squatted" any armies recently. What they have done is change the rules from codex to codex so that something that was a legal army before is no longer a legal army. So let's say in 12th edition I use an army that is Squad X, Squad Y, Squad Z, Special Character Sergeant Ricardo, and Tanks 2, 3, and 4. When 13th edition comes out, Sergeant Ricardo goes away, I must have a minimum of two Squad Xs, Squad Ys rules change so they can't be equipped with the weapons I currently have them modeled with, Squad Z sucks now, and Tanks 2 and 3 now take up the same spot on the force chart so I can't use them together. So now I have to go out and buy a lot more stuff so that I can use my old army.
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Post by Galahad on Dec 28, 2014 19:14:14 GMT
If I recall back in 4th or 5th edition they promised never to discontinue an army again if they had a codex...but that;s not the same as promising your army will be updated within this edition. Several armies had to wait one or two editions before they got a new 'dex.
They've also sped up how fast the editions come out so rather than every six to eight years it's every two to four years. And of course they release codices right up til the end, so you'll get your new dex then immediately have a new edition come out
As someone who doesn't get out to play every week the new pace is dizzying and frustrating. I've gotten to the point where just looking at all the beautiful new models for incomprehensible new units (Everyone seems to have mechs now!) just makes me feel physically ill because I know I'll never be able to save uop for, purchase, assemble and paint my new models before theyre outdated again.
Haven;t gone back to 40k in years
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Post by kryptt on Dec 29, 2014 4:54:08 GMT
Been playing since 3rd ed so I know how every edition nerfs most armies. Just glad the imperials have their knight titans back.
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Post by merknight79 on Dec 29, 2014 7:20:51 GMT
Well, in 40K, I am a Catachan player...and they are pretty much gone...as are all Guard units of note. No character or fluff anymore really, just cookie cutter sludge. GW has priced and ret-conned themselves into a hole (Necrons are now basically space Tomb Kings, Blood Angels and Necrons have 'come to an understanding', Space Wolves 13th company has once again "mysteriously" disappeared, etc etc etc...Alot of story arc changes that pissed alot of players off and sent them scrambling to Warmahordes and Dust) and their sales last year were down by nearly 12 million from the previous, which were down by nearly 8 million from the year prior to that. The only hope at this point is that the new CEO, who is reported to dislike the normal GW playbook when it comes to product, can bring the company back down to earth where normal people can play it again. For me, GW is already becoming a memory. Fond in some cases, financially painful in others. Getting back on topic though, I hope this game (Robotech) continues on and with the help of a good community and players who like character and story over cheese...we can make it happen. Challenge to all  |
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Post by InitiatedNeophyte on Jan 4, 2015 6:36:19 GMT
One thing I like about this board is that it's avoided a lot of the constant negativity that has consumed the Palladium boards and the Kickstarter comments section. I don't want to see this place overrun with all of that. And I intend to keep it that way for the foreseeable future. There are places for that. This doesn't need to be one of them. ...and for this, I thank you. *tips hat* |
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Post by kryptt on Jan 5, 2015 0:13:36 GMT
According to ND wave two is being tooled. Then I guess it's break time for Chinese New Year.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2015 5:55:23 GMT
According to Ninja John with ND their portion of this project is done and over with and has been since Wayne went to China, everything is in PB's hands now and has been for awhile.
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Post by Harlock on Jan 15, 2015 3:21:58 GMT
Of course the latest update says "this year". We'll see how it goes!
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Post by kryptt on Jan 15, 2015 5:51:12 GMT
Optimistically speaking I'd say at least half of wave two gets done this year before the other half gets turned into wave three. Someone should let PB know pics or it didn't happen.
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Post by wargamer43210 on Jan 15, 2015 16:40:15 GMT
I'm keeping the dream alive for Wave 3 Southern Cross and beyond! The Wave 1 models are quite good even though they are fiddly to assemble, so I would love to see things progress through all of the source material.
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Post by Min on Jan 15, 2015 17:20:31 GMT
I'm keeping the dream alive for Wave 3 Southern Cross and beyond! The Wave 1 models are quite good even though they are fiddly to assemble, so I would love to see things progress through all of the source material. Ugh. Hovertanks, Logans, and AJAX are all multi-mode mecha...so...much...building... But at least Bioroids on hover platforms should look incredibly cool. As to when wave 2 comes out; I give up. They'll get it done whenever and I'll get a box one day, hopefully devoid of extra shipping charges(Are you listening PB? Don't you dare screw everyone over like you did the non-US backers) and start building. I will say that if they even hint at Southern Cross before every single backer gets their wave 2 items then I'll just have to revolt. |
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Post by Grendal on Jan 15, 2015 19:44:51 GMT
I want to know why wave 2 stuff is just now getting tooled. should it not have all been done at the same time?
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Post by ItsUncertainWho on Jan 15, 2015 20:58:36 GMT
And don't forget all those split down the middle parts for mechs half the size of what we have now.
Should and will are two different things. Based on not seeing anything from Wave 2, which we can only hope they ditched the stupidity of the 90 degree leg, we would likely get standing on a sled Bioroid and 90 degree leg kick-line Bioroid, for an "action" pose.
Because PB couldn't be bothered to get things moving any faster?
ND had said at some point last summer that they were reworking the wave 2 models. How long it took them and to what extent they reworked them is a guess but they have since, sometime in December maybe, stated that all their work has been done.
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Post by fuchikoma on Jan 26, 2015 20:54:44 GMT
More from a ND playtester whose freinds with the head ninja: "@khyron... As John and the other employees at Ninja Division have said on their forums and Facebook. Ninja Division was only hired on for the intial rules set up and miniature "model" design. After they submitted these to PB, PB did what ever they wanted with it. They have no knowledge or say so on the decisions PB made after that. Example: Current rules are thanks to Carmen of PB and the decision to split the models in half were PB's. And lastly, choosing to use a different Chinese factory than the one Ninja Division uses was all PB's choice as well. Ninja Division pretty much did what they were paid to do then PB decided to go their own direction with it. Using Ninja Division to do all the leg work, then turned it around to make it into their own Frankenstien abomination RPG version of it. Because the game is nothing like they intionally submitted they don't want to even support it with their line of products. Hence why there is no support , mention, forum or ninja volunteer program for the game through ND. And why it is now up to PB's Megaverse (TM) ambasador program to promote the game. Because, Ninja Divisions name is still attached to the games' models they still post pics of ONLY the models. I have not seen a single pic of the whole game other than the models on Ninja Divisions websites. Because, they have no say so on what PB decided to do with the models after they were submitted they have no idea on the status of wave 2 either. Best bet is to keep houding the PB forums about a status update on wave 2 and hope that NMI doesn't lock it immediatly after." I was a playtester for this game and have been privy to many of the things behind the scenes. First and foremost let me just tell you that in my opinion as a long time wargamerr, the original rules as produced by Ninja Division were absolute garbage. I can't even begin to tell you how bad they were. |
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Post by Thorfinn on Jan 26, 2015 21:39:55 GMT
I'm a glass half full kind of guy. What can I say? Why is your glass so much larger than it needs to be? |
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Post by fuchikoma on Jan 26, 2015 21:54:09 GMT
I'm a glass half full kind of guy. What can I say? Why is your glass so much larger than it needs to be? HAHAHA!!! Honestly, I don't see Palladium releasing Wave 2 after GenCon. That would probably be the key date to hit. |
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Post by kryptt on Jan 27, 2015 4:36:13 GMT
More from a ND playtester whose freinds with the head ninja: "@khyron... As John and the other employees at Ninja Division have said on their forums and Facebook. Ninja Division was only hired on for the intial rules set up and miniature "model" design. After they submitted these to PB, PB did what ever they wanted with it. They have no knowledge or say so on the decisions PB made after that. Example: Current rules are thanks to Carmen of PB and the decision to split the models in half were PB's. And lastly, choosing to use a different Chinese factory than the one Ninja Division uses was all PB's choice as well. Ninja Division pretty much did what they were paid to do then PB decided to go their own direction with it. Using Ninja Division to do all the leg work, then turned it around to make it into their own Frankenstien abomination RPG version of it. Because the game is nothing like they intionally submitted they don't want to even support it with their line of products. Hence why there is no support , mention, forum or ninja volunteer program for the game through ND. And why it is now up to PB's Megaverse (TM) ambasador program to promote the game. Because, Ninja Divisions name is still attached to the games' models they still post pics of ONLY the models. I have not seen a single pic of the whole game other than the models on Ninja Divisions websites. Because, they have no say so on what PB decided to do with the models after they were submitted they have no idea on the status of wave 2 either. Best bet is to keep houding the PB forums about a status update on wave 2 and hope that NMI doesn't lock it immediatly after." I was a playtester for this game and have been privy to many of the things behind the scenes. First and foremost let me just tell you that in my opinion as a long time wargamerr, the original rules as produced by Ninja Division were absolute garbage. I can't even begin to tell you how bad they were. What was so bad that they were garbage? I've been wargaming since the 90's and would genuinely like to know. Are you a playtester from the ninja camp or PB? I ask because I'm curious to know if playtesters from both companies ever interacted or not. |
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Post by kryptt on Jan 27, 2015 4:48:51 GMT
Why is your glass so much larger than it needs to be? HAHAHA!!! Honestly, I don't see Palladium releasing Wave 2 after GenCon. That would probably be the key date to hit. Yes it's a key date, but PB couldn't even put out wave one for last years GC and that was only a third of the models. Wave two has way more designs. Yes I know PB says there just making a few adjustments and everything is pretty much done. Just remember they said the same thing back in 2013 and last year too. I'm surprised they didn't throw out that they were 98% done. |
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Post by fuchikoma on Jan 27, 2015 18:24:55 GMT
I was a playtester for this game and have been privy to many of the things behind the scenes. First and foremost let me just tell you that in my opinion as a long time wargamerr, the original rules as produced by Ninja Division were absolute garbage. I can't even begin to tell you how bad they were. What was so bad that they were garbage? I've been wargaming since the 90's and would genuinely like to know. Are you a playtester from the ninja camp or PB? I ask because I'm curious to know if playtesters from both companies ever interacted or not. Hey Kryptt. This is The Galactus Kid from the Palladium forums (Brandon K. Aten in the real world), so I was one of the playtesters recruited by Palladium. That said, I worked closely with the ND guys and had regular correspondence with Freeman and Cadice form ND througout the months of playtesting. Other than that really general and generic information, I can't really give any details becuase of the NDA agreement all playtesters signed. However, I can assure you that the rules can a LONG way from v 1.0 to the final. As a wargamer, there are still some changes that my group recommended that I wish were incorporated into the final rules, but nothing so bad as to make me dislike the rule set as a whole. For the most part, I think that the rules turned out pretty well. |
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Post by kryptt on Jan 28, 2015 4:19:04 GMT
What was so bad that they were garbage? I've been wargaming since the 90's and would genuinely like to know. Are you a playtester from the ninja camp or PB? I ask because I'm curious to know if playtesters from both companies ever interacted or not. Hey Kryptt. This is The Galactus Kid from the Palladium forums (Brandon K. Aten in the real world), so I was one of the playtesters recruited by Palladium. That said, I worked closely with the ND guys and had regular correspondence with Freeman and Cadice form ND througout the months of playtesting. Other than that really general and generic information, I can't really give any details becuase of the NDA agreement all playtesters signed. However, I can assure you that the rules can a LONG way from v 1.0 to the final. As a wargamer, there are still some changes that my group recommended that I wish were incorporated into the final rules, but nothing so bad as to make me dislike the rule set as a whole. For the most part, I think that the rules turned out pretty well. I don't think the final rules are bad. It's a fun game that my son and I enjoy. Some stuff might need clearing up, but it lets you do what what's seen in the anime. Glad to see that you guys did interact. Still wish I could see what 1.0 looked like. Brandon K Aten With talk about there being another RRT book with advanced rules will it be going through playtesters as well? |
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