grabula
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Post by grabula on Oct 28, 2014 5:56:06 GMT
These threads always get a little crazy but hear me out.
First, RRT isn't just a wargame, it's also to provide models to the guys who play the RPG. There's a high probability that alot of those guys and girls might want to just buy them ready to play. Right now the models are definitely over engineered, for a veteran modeler like myself no issue but I cringe to think of how a new modeller might react. They're as complex as a much larger kit and they shouldn't be at that scale. No big deal, I can personally work around it but there is a slice of the population who might want these models ready to play and might pass on them once they see them in all their glory on those sprues!
Several games have been successful as prepaints so there's an obvious interest in it. I know so called "serious' hobbyers always disagree with the prepaint concept but I've always felt that it's easy enough to repaint prepaints so shouldn't be an issue. I wouldn't mind the idea of squad packs, a pack of models that makes the minimum needed to play, or even full units of mecha ready to play. I can repaint them later to my taste and I don't have to feel bad about playing them before I do.
I ultimately feel like the number of people who would refuse to buy prepaints are a lot less than those who will refuse to buy them because they have to assemble AND paint, especially because they are so complex.
Thoughts?
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Post by melodramatic on Oct 28, 2014 18:45:37 GMT
I dunno, it's my understanding that pre-painting can seriously increase the price and the quality can be somewhat of a mixed bag. Just how these models were engineered and the project was run makes me doubt that they could have pulled off prepainted.
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Edsel
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Post by Edsel on Oct 28, 2014 18:58:44 GMT
As a long time miniature war gamer and 40K player I have no problem with assembling and painting the miniatures. I look forward to seeing just what I can magnetize on certain units.
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grabula
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Post by grabula on Oct 29, 2014 0:35:41 GMT
melodramatic, some good points. I think to be fair Palladium just needs to find the right person for the job. These kits strike me as being built by someone who builds model kits for a living and not miniatures and I believe they just had the wrong guy for the job.
As for quality, it just depends. I used to play AT43, those miniatures were reasonably priced - if I remember correctly around 20-25$ for a box of 5-10 troops, 20-50$ for the larger mecha but those were bigger than anything they'd be producing for robotech. The quality was initially very good. It went down hill later bu if you stay on top of your contracted services that wouldn't be an issue. In some cases, even lower quality paint jobs are better than grey or tan plastic.
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Post by Jaymz on Oct 29, 2014 3:16:12 GMT
Would i have preferred pre painted? Hells yes because a modeller i am not. I am going to be challenged by assembling all of this.
However for the type of game this is, pre painted was not doable. The cost per mini would have sky rocketed. It works for a Game Like X-win as yo only need 1-4 fighters to play a 100 point game (8 tops if you go with a Tie swarm). At 15+ per mini (at least that is what it is here), needing 12-18 minis per side? Too expensive at that point.
Quality wise....the X-wing ones look REALLY good.
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Post by ItsUncertainWho on Oct 29, 2014 6:14:56 GMT
I have been spoiled by Dust miniatures. They come assembled and primed in faction color, with some decals applied. You can go from box to table in under five minutes. While I don't have issues assembling models, I have a not insubstantial Khador army that can attest to that, the speed and ease of Dust minis makes life better. They also offer a premium line of prepainted units that runs roughly double the normal unit cost that has a ravenous fan base within the Dust community. The option of the premiums allows for those who have the money, but lack either the time or desire to paint, to have a fantasticly painted army.
Assembled would have been great. Painted is less of a priority for me, but considering the fact I have Macross capsule toys that are of higher quality, assembled, and painted, yeah, they should have gone that route instead of the garbage micro models we are getting.
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Post by melodramatic on Oct 29, 2014 14:32:55 GMT
Yeah, Fantasy Flight does pre-painted really well, but Wizkids and WOTC not so much in my opinion. I agree that if they had the right people for the job then even the models for Robotech would be more in line with a standard mini game and not boxed models like you said.
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Post by pythnutd on Oct 29, 2014 15:16:40 GMT
As somebody who enjoys the hobby side I most likely would have not gotten into the game if they were pre painted. I love Star wars and Star Trek almost as much as I love Robotech, but I completely ignore the games when in game stores. Of course I am a long time 40k gamer and I am biased towards the hobby side.
Now assembled is a different story, I have many games with pre-assembled figures, and I typically at some point paint them. I have painted D&D board game figures, Relic boardgame figures, Talisman Boardgame figures, etc....
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Post by Max on Oct 31, 2014 1:13:35 GMT
I would not have been as interested if it was prepainted. Outside of assembly and painting being a large part of the hobby to me, I don't have confidence they would not have looked like poo. The X-Wing game gets a pass because the IP requires high quality controls and the ship designs are relatively simple. Dust has good vehicles, but I believe the soldiers need paint to not look like old style plastic army men. All my Dust player friends paint and mod the figures any way, so there is that.
"Multi-part, pose able plastic" is one of my favorite wargame phrases.
The minis could have been cast in fewer parts. I know people whinged so hard about it in the comments section that they felt compelled to do it that way, but I really think they should have said "look, this is normal, just scrape off the flash and get on with your lives."
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Post by ayleron on Oct 31, 2014 14:20:35 GMT
I can see the discussion points and think that the facts pot forward do show that they choose the best way to approach the minis for this game.
However I wonder if a small line of minimally pre-painted minis with simple poses would be a good add on eventually. The example of X-wing miniatures is an interesting one simply because there is a healthy repainting and modding crowd. The first miniature I ever painted is/was an A-wing from that game. Obviously it won't be the last thanks to Robotech, but I believe pre-prepared miniatures reach out to a largely untapped different gamer market and that there could be room for both. If only to allow us to get more players, that in my mind would be a good thing. Use the open and play minis as an entry drug, then when their hooked, the see all the great stuff they can make with the models and buy the kit figures as they grow their army.
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Post by mcwong73 on Nov 15, 2014 13:16:10 GMT
It would have been a terrible choice first time out of the gate. Imagine if we got some crappy gashopon like models? And the delays would have been so much longer. There are some great painted figures for Macross out there, but they're priced for collectors. It was challenge enough to get where we are right now.
The figures themselves...I've been following the dramas on the RT comments thread since the project started, and while I'm not over the moon about how things panned out, I genuinely believe PB and friends approached this with the best of intentions coupled with the least of experience. You know what, I do feel confident that I can see where the $1.4 million went, we're getting a fully fleshed out game and minis line.
I doubt we'll see pre paints, but I do predict that we will see revised sprue kits sooner than later.
The untapped market for Xwing was more the migration of a chunk of gen X gamers to a stage of life where there are significant time and money pressures, and X Wing is an affordable casual game that works straight off the shelf. I think the biggest contributing factor to X Wing's ongoing popularity is that it's actually a very well designed game that does exactly what it says on the box. And it's Star Wars. 'nuff said.
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Post by ocksu on Nov 16, 2014 13:56:35 GMT
I certainly wouldn't have gotten as heavily involved in RRT if it had been pre-assembled/pre-painted. While I am not a hardcore hobbyist, I have put together and painted my share of 40k models and I do enjoy that aspect of the game. Also, the harsh reality is that between work and home responsibilities, I don't have a lot of time to actually coordinate games with friends so snagging an hour or two here and there to assemble/paint will likely be how I get most of the enjoyment from this game.
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Post by rickhunter1984 on Nov 16, 2014 16:02:18 GMT
I like the fact that I will need to put together and paint them and that's my 2 cents
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Post by maxvale76 on Nov 26, 2014 21:01:42 GMT
Hello one and all;
I'm new to these boards; but I'm a big Robotech fan and I recently discovered that this game had been made and while I'm glad I missed all the drama the poor kick starters had to go through; I gotta say that I'm EXTREMELY dismayed that the figures are unbuilt. I am NOT a guy interested in building or painting mins; sot that's a big bummer for me. Honestly; the unpainted part doesn't bother me; but the building part….yeah….I really don't want to drop a hundred plus on a game where I then have to build 20 figures just to play it. However, if anyone out there has the time and inclination to build all the figures; I'd gladly pay them extra for their services. PM me to let me know!
Probably unlike most folks out there; I'd probably only be playing the game every once in a while; mostly I would be using the figures to represent scenes in a tabletop RPG campaign. However; anyone out there who is playing the game; please post session reports as I love to read them. Thanks and oh yeah…great site by the way!
-Max
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2014 4:25:04 GMT
not a fan of pre-built or pre-painted models for this game, but definitely a big fan of a lot less pieces on the models (especially the UEDF)
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Post by drahazar on Nov 27, 2014 13:55:24 GMT
No to the pre painted an assembled however there are quite a few parts that could have been single parts. I hate pre painted they look so bad especially if I wanted to paint my own
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