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Post by driph on Oct 19, 2014 0:30:22 GMT
Hi all, noticed a bit of discussion in multiple threads about the bonding material folks are using, so figured a dedicated thread would really help for those that begin to explore the board after receiving their wave 1 kits (myself included!).
What glues are you using to bond the ABS pieces?
Any general tips, or cements to avoid with ABS? Are there modeling cements that'll work fine with ABS and other common materials?
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Post by thezentraedihottie on Oct 19, 2014 6:06:53 GMT
I'll be using good 'ol Testors plastic cement.
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Post by Jaymz on Oct 19, 2014 13:00:54 GMT
That's the regular orange tube right? I;ve hear that that will actually be a bad idea in the long run....that was what I was planning to use myself.
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Post by thezentraedihottie on Oct 19, 2014 23:55:42 GMT
The metal tube, yes. I've never had a problem with it on hard plastic. Have been using it for over a decade.
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Post by Jaymz on Oct 20, 2014 0:08:31 GMT
good to know as it is readily available in any store that sells models of any type.
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Post by thezentraedihottie on Oct 20, 2014 22:38:28 GMT
Started assembling a recovery pod. Testors is perfect.
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Post by cutedge on Oct 20, 2014 22:52:25 GMT
I keep hearing references to ABS plastic and it makes me wonder, what kind of plastic do they use for normal 40k stuff?
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Post by thezentraedihottie on Oct 20, 2014 23:40:11 GMT
I know GW uses a polystyrene plastic, I just don't know what kind exactly. I've used Testors on their plastic kits as well.
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Post by grabula on Oct 27, 2014 4:04:19 GMT
Is it confirmed these are ABS or styrene? I'd assumed styrene. I know some people are using plastructs bondene which I don't think works on ABS. If it does it's what I'll use since it welds the plastic.
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Post by grabula on Oct 27, 2014 5:22:49 GMT
So, after sifting through the forum a little I notice there seems to be an inordinate amount of concern over glue. I came across 4 threads discussing glue for multiple posts. Here's the deal to break it down (I'm not going to get into the chemistry, it's overkill):
1 - Cyanoacrylate will absolutely work on these models. If you have a problem using it, then one of two things is going on - your plastic needs to be cleaned or your glue is old/bad. The zap a gap line of glues are popular but most glues you'll find in a game store are of this kind. Most "super" or krazy glues fall into this category.
2 - Testors model glue will work fine. Some find it nice because it's cheap and easy to get and for models this small with a mind to using it sparingly you will have no issues what so ever. I personally don't use testors because cyanoacrylate has always worked for me.
If you have any questions at all on whether your glue will work on your minis before assembling, cut a couple of pieces of the sprue off and glue them together!
I don't know if it's because the game just got released and there's been very little to talk about lol or what but I've never seen so much concern over glue. I've been modelling (military) and assembling game models of all kinds since the 80's. It's possible I'm really lucky but I've never had any major issues using cyanoacrylate on just about everything. Occasionally because I don't always (honestly almost never) clean my models some metal pieces may take slightly longer to bond. Otherwise there are materials these glues won't work on but you won't see them in gaming.
The best two tips for glue if this is a real concern for you is 1: test it on extra pieces or sprue and 2: use it sparingly. It's not rocket science and more often than not the biggest problem I see with people and gluing models together is the amount they use - too much and you get globs, spill over and finger prints. Too little and you won't always get a strong enough bond. My rule of thumb is to apply enough to cover the entire surface I intend to glue.
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Post by ItsUncertainWho on Oct 27, 2014 7:43:20 GMT
ABS is a styrene, just not HIPS which is what most models are made with. ABS has a little more flex to it, so it is a bit softer.
The glue thing is from the Lego people. If you use the Testors tube cement, a very hot glue, it can cause problems due to not curing quick enough. This can lead to deformation over time. The Model Master liquid cement is much easier to control, and very little is needed to make a strong permanent bond.
I would never trust any manufacturer to clean their plastic properly. Throwing a pile of plastic into hot soapy water, rinsing, then letting them dry takes no time to do and guarantees no mold release residue. It is a simple preventative maintenance step that doesn't hurt to do.
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Post by grabula on Oct 27, 2014 8:17:53 GMT
I would never trust any manufacturer to clean their plastic properly. Throwing a pile of plastic into hot soapy water, rinsing, then letting them dry takes no time to do and guarantees no mold release residue. It is a simple preventative maintenance step that doesn't hurt to do. Certainly it never hurts and I've heard of people having issues. Anecdotally I've been modelling now for almost 30 years and I've washed models maybe 3 times and I've never personally had issues but I could have just been lucky. They don't use as much mold release on the plastics with the metal molds but the silicon molds for metal tend to require a little more. My models should arrive later this week and I'll certainly test and post but ultimately like I said there's no reason to fuss over this. Most of us use one of two different types of glue to assemble models and both will work just fine.
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Post by Sundowner on Nov 10, 2014 17:18:00 GMT
I am using the Hobby sized bottle of superglue. (about 8 fluid oz). It is MAXI CURE. Good stuff works really well and bonds strong.
It costs about $20 but you will have more then enough, I have regular gap filling and extra thick. I use a insulin syringe (you can buy those at a Pharmacy) And dip it into the bottle, the needle point allows precise application as it runs down the needle to the joint or glue point. (I tried to suck the glue up with it but both are to thick.)
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Post by beermonkey on Nov 13, 2014 18:56:03 GMT
Hey guys. I started trying to use regular super glue and I can tell you for a fact DON'T!!
Got a bottle of Model Master precision and some Testors Plastic cement. They both work very well. I love the precision applicator tip, SO critical for all the fiddly little bits on some of these models. So in short after playing with a few different things, get model cement and relax.
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Post by ItsUncertainWho on Nov 17, 2014 19:18:55 GMT
This is what I would recommend to everyone. Like Beermonkey said, the precision tip makes life easy, and you need very little to join parts. If I use half an ounce to build an entire Battle Cry I would be shocked.
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Post by beermonkey on Nov 18, 2014 14:25:37 GMT
That's the stuff! Makes building these models go from frustration to joy!
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Post by driph on Nov 19, 2014 7:47:10 GMT
Yes! That's what I landed on as well, and it's fantastic. The metal applicator tube makes a world of difference.
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Post by drahazar on Nov 21, 2014 15:05:12 GMT
Loctite Super glue it works on everything from all kinds of plastics to Metals. And it holds very well 5 Sec dry time.
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Post by melodramatic on Nov 21, 2014 23:22:14 GMT
I second Mister Who, I've been using that glue for years for all types of models including 40k and Dropzone Commander.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2014 4:32:39 GMT
Ok the discussion is about what glues can be used with these models, PB has stated they are made of ABS plastic, make sure the glue you use is ABS friendly, not all modelling glues are ABS friendly, for starters the red testors metal tube is not ABS friendly (Testors does have a few glues that is ABS friendly and even at least one in a container like the model master cement) glue that is not friendly with ABS will not be noticed immediately but over time, certain glues will cause ABS to dissolve and pit and basically cause your model to become brittle over time, this is what the LEGO people are saying, and it is true, so be careful of what glue your using unless you don't plan to have your models long.
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Post by drahazar on Nov 27, 2014 13:58:31 GMT
Which is why I use locktight super glue and you can get it anywhere
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Post by Harlock on Dec 6, 2014 2:11:49 GMT
Ok the discussion is about what glues can be used with these models, PB has stated they are made of ABS plastic, make sure the glue you use is ABS friendly, not all modelling glues are ABS friendly, for starters the red testors metal tube is not ABS friendly (Testors does have a few glues that is ABS friendly and even at least one in a container like the model master cement) glue that is not friendly with ABS will not be noticed immediately but over time, certain glues will cause ABS to dissolve and pit and basically cause your model to become brittle over time, this is what the LEGO people are saying, and it is true, so be careful of what glue your using unless you don't plan to have your models long. So the Testor's Model Master cement is safe for ABS even though it says it joins polystyrene to polystyrene? I'm so confused. I am so used to using plain old Super Glue on my Warhammer and D&D minis I never considered long term damage to the plastic.
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Post by Galahad on Dec 6, 2014 2:50:25 GMT
This is what I would recommend to everyone. Like Beermonkey said, the precision tip makes life easy, and you need very little to join parts. If I use half an ounce to build an entire Battle Cry I would be shocked. Can't agree more, this stuff is the best Gorilla Super Glue (blue cap) is what I use for metal parts though, it;s very good and ahs some plastic melting properties, but for plastic to plastic nothing holds a candle to testors
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Post by Edsel on Dec 6, 2014 3:05:56 GMT
I have been using Model Master cement for small parts and precision work. I used regular Testors cement for large parts (like gluing regult legs on). And finally I used Zap CA+ cyanoacrylate for gluing in magnets when I assembled my artillery pods. Everything has worked well.
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Post by ItsUncertainWho on Dec 6, 2014 5:59:15 GMT
So the Testor's Model Master cement is safe for ABS even though it says it joins polystyrene to polystyrene? I'm so confused. I am so used to using plain old Super Glue on my Warhammer and D&D minis I never considered long term damage to the plastic. ABS is a styrene, that's what the S stands for. I know several people have been using the tube glue, but I wouldn't recommend it. It is much hotter and harder to control. The MM Liquid Cement will hold even the largest of parts together with only a couple of drops, since it is welding the pieces.
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Post by Galahad on Dec 6, 2014 11:00:06 GMT
I'll lay a drop or two then use the side of the needle applicator to spread it all over the seam. I end up getitng buildup around the needle but it;s easy to scrape away but it makes for a nice even application
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2014 15:30:45 GMT
Ok the discussion is about what glues can be used with these models, PB has stated they are made of ABS plastic, make sure the glue you use is ABS friendly, not all modelling glues are ABS friendly, for starters the red testors metal tube is not ABS friendly (Testors does have a few glues that is ABS friendly and even at least one in a container like the model master cement) glue that is not friendly with ABS will not be noticed immediately but over time, certain glues will cause ABS to dissolve and pit and basically cause your model to become brittle over time, this is what the LEGO people are saying, and it is true, so be careful of what glue your using unless you don't plan to have your models long. So the Testor's Model Master cement is safe for ABS even though it says it joins polystyrene to polystyrene? I'm so confused. I am so used to using plain old Super Glue on my Warhammer and D&D minis I never considered long term damage to the plastic. Actually super glue should work. (I think)
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Post by Harlock on Dec 7, 2014 16:53:01 GMT
It's ok. I bought some of the Testor's cement yesterday and glued up a Glaug Command box. While super glue is easier to work with, the Testor's really forms a much better bond. I'm very impressed. These models will stand up to handling far better than my Warhammer Lizardmen do.
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Post by rasputindarksyde on Dec 8, 2014 2:48:05 GMT
I just use Gorilla glue super glue. I have been using it for years with GW, Privateer Press and all of the miniature games I play. It works fine and is about $5 a bottle.
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Post by soulfly626 on Dec 12, 2014 22:17:58 GMT
I used tester's plastic cement red/orange tube on my 1/16 Tamiya Tank. I running all the time. It welds.
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